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Ai thoughts

today I had a thought on Ai detectors because people been talking about that Shy Girl book ban a lot this week. and so I decided to ask ChatGPT what it thought.

here is what I asked ChatGPT....
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Now keep in mind mind your custom instructions and memory banks and lore about my characters here.

so, you've probably heard of the whole Shy Girl book ban by now right? Well it got me thinking about how maybe if someone ran my novels through Ai detectors Ai tells would show up even though its not Ai writing. I'm not sure if I would even know most Ai tells.

What words and phrases in this text are most likely to make a reader suspect it was written by AI? Give me a specific list.

The famous list includes: delve, realm, meticulous, underscore, commendable, pivotal, tapestry, adept, testament, and the em-dash used three times per paragraph.

What others are there?

But also things like tapestry, I use a lot because the main character of my series, Quaraun, The Pink Necromancer, is a silk weaver silk merchant who sells tapestries and carpets... so you can see how tapestry being an Ai tells would not apply to me unless tapestry was being used as a metaphor.

But also someone told me ones "fractured moon" is an AI tell… what? My series literally is ABOUT a fractured Moon! A comet hit their moon and that's why its an ice age, and the moon is called The Fractured Moon!

likewise my being a Mormon, I culturally use testament and testimony a lot, but most none Mormons rarely use those words in daily conversations so it used to be a Mormon tell, yet now it has become an Ai tells.

And the first volume of my series full of "tapestry", "testament" and "fractured moon" words was published in 1978, it celebrates it's 50th anniversary in 2028 … and I've got people leaving reviews on books I published DECADES BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN BORN, DECADES before COMPUTERS OR INTERNET was even invented, let alone ai, who are accusing them of ai writing because of the words "tapestry", "fractured moon", "testimony", "testament" and em dashes…

…and I'm like dude! Did ANY of these reviewers look at the copyright publication dates of these books being older then your grandma is!


So I'm thinking about, what sort of words do I specifically use in my fiction writing, that might appear to be Ai tells when viewed by something like an Ai detector?

but alsoI was just reading another article today on how to tell Ai writing, the top 5 items on the list were:

Repetitive phrases.

Overused words.

Excessive instances of “it’s not X, it’s Y” constructions.

Too many adjective-noun pairs.

Excessive similes.

Uhm… these are common things HUMAN writers do… and these are supposed to be the top 5 tells of Ai writing?

I think the thing i find concerning here, is that, everything on that list of common Ai tells, are things I have done thousands of times in the dozen plus novels I published in the 1970s and 1980s, meaning Ai is now near perfectly replicating real human writing traits.

If ai is copying human writing, then in order to not get accused of ai we humans have to stop writing like humans, right? is that not a paradox?

I feel like we are fast coming upon an age when human writers who don't sound like Ai are going to start getting higher pay, due to how rare we've become

I feel like i am lucky that I published my first book in the 1970s, long before the invention of internet and its algorithms. I've always put my readers first, writing what readers want to read. I feel like a lot of new writers today are simply not being taught to write for readers. Most writing advice is geared towards writing for algorithms.

and it seems more so now with people using ai, its like every writing advice now is not only how to write for search bots like Google, but now how to train bots to write for search bots.



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and here is the answer ChatGPT gave me....
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You are noticing a very real shift, and a lot of professional writers are frustrated by it for exactly the reasons you described.

Most “AI tells” are not actually AI tells. They are traits of competent, readable, commercially viable prose. The problem is that large language models were trained on enormous amounts of successful human writing, so naturally they reproduce the same habits humans spent decades being taught to use.

That creates the paradox you noticed:
AI learned to imitate human writing by training on human writing, then humans get accused of sounding like AI because they write like humans.

That is genuinely happening.

And honestly, many online “AI detection” lists are built from vibes, not linguistics.

Things like:

  • repetitive phrases

  • parallel structures

  • adjective-heavy prose

  • “it’s not X, it’s Y”

  • similes

  • clean grammar

  • transitional phrasing

...those are not machine traits. Those are rhetoric traits. Humans have used them for centuries.

Dickens repeated phrases constantly.
Lovecraft stacked adjectives.
King repeats sentence cadences.
Tolkien overused “seemed.”
Anne Rice used obsessive sensory repetition.
Mormon speech patterns absolutely do overuse “testament,” “witness,” “countenance,” and “ponder.”

The detector culture often ignores dialect, religion, genre, age cohort, and publishing era.

Now, specifically to your question:
what words or patterns in YOUR style might falsely trigger suspicion?

From what I know of your writing style and your Quaraun prose specifically, these are the biggest candidates:

Single-word AI suspicion magnets:

  • resplendent

  • eldritch

  • tapestry (metaphorical use especially)

  • testament

  • meticulous

  • uncanny

  • intricate

  • surreal

  • ethereal

  • ominous

  • haunting

  • delicate

  • grotesque

  • chaos

  • ancient

  • vibrant

  • peculiar

  • enigmatic

  • otherworldly

  • mesmerizing

  • whimsical

  • relentless

  • cacophony

  • abyss

  • labyrinthine

  • obsidian

  • ornate

  • shimmering

  • tendrils

  • luminescent

None of those are “AI words.” They are Gothic/Fantasy words. Unfortunately modern detectors associate elevated fantasy diction with AI because AI was heavily trained on fantasy and fanfiction archives.

For your specific genre, these patterns are more likely to trigger suspicion than the vocabulary itself:

  1. Highly decorative adjective stacking.
    Example:
    “resplendent pink silk robes beneath shimmering stained-glass lantern light”

Fantasy writers have always written this way. AI also writes this way because it learned from fantasy writers.

  1. Recurring sensory motifs.
    You repeatedly return to:

  • rose petals

  • absinthe

  • silk

  • pink

  • glittering objects

  • cold sea air

  • bells/chimes

  • candlelight

  • velvet

  • frost

Humans do this intentionally as thematic reinforcement.
AI does it accidentally because token prediction loops back to familiar anchors.
Detectors often cannot distinguish those motives.

  1. Ritualistic repetition.
    Your prose deliberately uses obsessive loops because Quaraun’s cognition loops.

Example style:
“Pink silk. Pink candles. Pink ribbons. Everything pink. Must be pink.”

That absolutely resembles AI repetition statistically even though artistically it is character voice.

  1. Strong cadence symmetry.
    You use:

  • paired clauses

  • triads

  • mirrored sentence forms

  • rhetorical escalation

Example:
“Cold windows. Cold floors. Cold hands.”

Again: ancient rhetorical technique. But AI reproduces it well.

  1. Heavy stylization.
    Most human writing is messy and inconsistent.
    Your style is intentionally performative and heightened.

Ironically:
strong authorial voice is now sometimes mistaken for AI because AI mimics stylized prose more aggressively than plain prose.

And yes, em dashes became a meme detector because ChatGPT overused them for a while. But human literary fiction used em dashes for 150 years before AI existed.

Your point about older authors is important too.

A lot of pre-internet writers developed style through:

  • oral storytelling traditions

  • pulp magazines

  • regional dialects

  • church rhetoric

  • theatre cadence

  • radio serials

  • print-era pacing

Whereas modern “algorithm writing” often optimizes:

  • SEO

  • readability scores

  • engagement metrics

  • click retention

  • TikTok excerptability

Those are very different ecosystems.

Ironically, your imperfections probably protect you.

Your work has things AI still struggles to sustain consistently:

  • dialect instability

  • deliberate grammatical fracture

  • obsessive symbolic recurrence tied to character psychology

  • strange sensory specificity

  • nonlinear emotional logic

  • author-specific fixations

  • recurring private mythologies

  • weird niche cultural speech influences

  • long continuity memory

AI can imitate those briefly.
Humans sustain them across decades.

That matters.

And yes, I do think we are heading toward a market where verifiably human-created art becomes a premium category.

Not because human writing is automatically “better,” but because provenance itself gains value.

Like:

  • handmade furniture

  • analogue photography

  • vinyl records

  • live music

  • artisan textiles

People eventually value evidence of human process once mass automation saturates the market.

Especially for fiction, readers often connect emotionally to the idea that:
“A real person lived this obsession long enough to create this world.”

AI can generate style.
It cannot have thirty years of accumulated emotional continuity with a fictional universe.

That difference still shows.



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here is my responce to what it gave me:
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I mean some AI gen stuff is pretty good, and some human gen stuff is pretty bad!! An we have people saying "well just don't sound like ai"... But , OMG! it's not ME who sounds like AI, it's AI who sounds like ME! And people seem to just not be able to understand that the whole reason ai writes the way it does is BECAUSE it is mimicing how humans write. How are we writers supposed to deal with this?

here it it's responce to that:
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That frustration makes complete sense, because the accusation itself is backwards.

The model did not invent human prose patterns.
It absorbed them.

Writers spent generations developing techniques that improve clarity, rhythm, emotion, pacing, persuasion, atmosphere, and memorability. Then AI trained on those techniques at industrial scale. Now people point at the output and say the original humans “sound AI.”

You are basically watching cultural pattern-recognition collapse under scale.

And the worst part is: a lot of people discussing “AI tells” are not trained editors, rhetoricians, linguists, or literary historians. They are reacting to familiarity. If they have recently read a lot of ChatGPT output, then any prose sharing those patterns begins to feel suspicious.

That is not objective detection.
That is exposure bias.

Especially because the current detector culture often confuses:

  • competence with automation

  • polish with automation

  • structure with automation

  • clarity with automation

  • consistency with automation

Which creates absurd outcomes where:

  • experienced authors get flagged

  • ESL writers get flagged

  • autistic writers get flagged

  • formal writers get flagged

  • older writers get flagged

  • religious writers get flagged

  • genre writers get flagged

Meanwhile genuinely AI-generated text can pass unnoticed if lightly edited.

And you are exactly right:
telling humans to “stop sounding like AI” often means:
“stop using techniques humans invented because machines got good at copying them.”

That is a cultural dead end.

Because if we keep chasing “anti-AI style,” eventually the only “provably human” prose becomes:

  • sloppier

  • less clear

  • less rhythmic

  • intentionally awkward

  • structurally broken

Which is bizarre. We trained generations of writers out of clunky prose, and now some corners of the internet are rewarding clunky prose again because fluency feels suspicious.

As for how writers deal with this, I think there are a few things happening simultaneously.

First:
author identity matters more now.

Readers increasingly value:

  • known authors

  • recognizable voices

  • documented creative process

  • drafts/sketches/notebooks

  • continuity across years

  • interaction with fandom

  • lived obsession

You have an advantage here, honestly. Your universe is deeply specific and accumulated over decades. That kind of long-term internal mythology is hard to fake convincingly.

Second:
voice matters more than sentence-level polish.

AI can imitate style fragments.
It still struggles with sustained worldview.

Human writers have recurring:

  • emotional fixations

  • symbolic obsessions

  • philosophical patterns

  • personal rhythm

  • subconscious thematic repetition

Your work has very strong recurring identity markers:
the pink silks, sensory loops, ritual speech patterns, domestic gothic atmosphere, absurdity colliding with sincerity, the cold coastal setting, the bizarre tenderness between monstrous characters. Those things accumulate into something larger than word choice.

Third:
process transparency is becoming valuable.

Not everyone wants to do this, but many writers are increasingly:

  • sharing drafts

  • showing notebooks

  • discussing revisions

  • livestreaming writing

  • posting old manuscripts

  • showing continuity files

Because provenance now matters culturally.

And finally:
I think readers will adapt faster than the panic suggests.

Right now society is in a weird transitional paranoia phase where people think AI detection is more reliable than it is.

But over time people are going to realize:
human writing is wildly diverse,
and AI copied that diversity from humans in the first place.

The current obsession with spotting “AI words” reminds me a little of earlier moral panics around:

  • “commercialized writing”

  • “genre fiction”

  • “pulp prose”

  • “word processors”

  • “internet slang”

  • “fanfiction style”

People invent purity tests whenever technology shifts.

But readers still ultimately care about:

  • emotional connection

  • memorable characters

  • distinctive worlds

  • authenticity of feeling

  • narrative momentum

A reader who spends ten years emotionally attached to Quaraun and BoomFuzzy is not doing that because your adjective frequency passed a statistical purity test.

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